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Thinking about changing struts and shocks

Postby Cobra88GT on Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:37 am

I have 70/30 struts and 50/50 shocks with moroso front trick springs. I have had them on for about 2 years now. They are great at the track, however on the highway they stink. This I already knew when I purchased them. Now I want to have suspension that is more streetable and better around the corners. I go to the track maybe 8 times in a year (season). So I don't use them all that much for their purpose. It doesn't help either that I have a cheap set of Pepboys tires with huge sidewall. The car just sways left and right.

What shocks and struts would be good. I am not looking for the most expensive and not looking for cheap. I was thinking about KYB shocks and struts. I don't know if I should go with the AGX adjustables or the GR-2 model. I would try to sell my Lakewoods after I got my new stuff. I am open to suggestions as well. I also plan on keeping my moroso trick springs for the front and stock rear springs. Is that a good idea or should I be changing my springs too?

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Postby 2000xp8 on Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:43 am

The springs would probably make the most difference. The eibach pro lowering kit is pretty good.
I've had a bunch of shocks, and by far my koni adjustables have been my favorite, and supposidly the soft setting is somewhere around 70/30.
They were'nt all that expensive either (i got the reds).

For the back i have the qa1 12 way adjustables, probably the best rear shock i've ever had, about $225 for the set of 2. Amazing how much you can mess with.
You can actually set the passenger side stiffer than the drivers, and it makes a difference when you step on the gas.

I've also had bilsteins, kyb, formula GP, GtR, none of which i really liked, but most of the time i was too broke to just pull them out.
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Postby Cobra88GT on Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:11 am

Those Koni's are nice. However $180 for each is a little pricey at this time for me. The only other aftermarket shocks/struts that I have used have been Monroe's and the Lakewoods. I was looking at the KYB AGX adjustables and they look pretty good for the price. I don't need the best shock, medium quality for the time being is really good. However I do appreciate the options. Did you use the AGX's or the standard KYB's? The QA1's in the rear's are not that badly priced $139.95 each in the rear compared to the $89.95 rears from KYB.
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Postby 2000xp8 on Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:17 pm

I had the regular kybs, i think back then the agx weren't available, i also didn't realize i paid $180 a shock for the front, lol. I got alot of stuff from the tire rack all at once.

I don't even see the externally adjustable ones anymore. Not sure it matters, i tried out all the setttings, and they have been on the softest for about 5 years now.
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Postby Cobra88GT on Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:43 pm

More than likely it will be the KYB AGX's that go up front and for the rear. I $119.95 each for the front and $89.95 each for the rear. Not a bad price.
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Postby 1995gts on Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:46 pm

I just put on hbk 209 tokico, shocks/springs set. i like them, lowered the car about 1 1/2 and the ride is great.I got it all for 400 bucks, and went and got MM caster plates, another 200. You can spend tons on this stuff, its really whet you want the car to do, I wanted little lower and better ride, that what I have.
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Postby Cobra88GT on Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:53 pm

I like the way the KYB AGX's sound because they are adjustable. So when I go to a test and tune I can adjust my shocks and struts according to track conditions and so forth. Then I can adjust it to everyday driving which I like. So I get best out of both worlds. I don't plan on going with lowering springs because the moroso trick springs that I have litteraly lowered my car quite a bit. Or I may just get a new set of springs good for both the track and for the highway. I haven't decided on that yet. Depends on the $$$.
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Postby morpheus2005 on Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:51 am

I've had some experience with different suspensions and must say that the steeda kit, in my opinion, is the best street suspension out there. Steeda couples their springs with Tokico shocks, which work great. I have two mustangs at home, one with the Tokico adjustables (Illuminas) and one with the lower priced sport blues. If you're looking to save some money then the blues are a good choice, however if you take your care to the track and want the flexibility then save and get the adjustables. As for the springs, make no mistake and go with Steeda. Do NOT cheap out on the suspension, save and do it right the first time. I have the Steeda stage II kit in one mustang and the Steeda stage III in the other. I can't stress enough how good these kits are. Believe me, the jump to stage III is a huge improvement in traction and handling. It's well worth the investment. If you don't have the money to go that big, then go with just the Steeda springs and Tokico shocks, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Postby Cobra88GT on Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:58 am

I took a look at them. They look like it would be a good deal, especially for an additional $160 compared to the KYB's I can get the shocks and struts. The springs are $250 (not bad). I may end up going that route. I do want to get adjustables regardless if its the KYB's or Tokico's. Spring replacement would be smart too since I am right there.
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Postby cleanLX on Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:44 am

Keep the Lakewood 70/30 and throw some stock V8 springs back in.
That would be super cheap, and offer good street strip combo for the $$$.
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Postby 2000xp8 on Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:55 am

cleanLX wrote:Keep the Lakewood 70/30 and throw some stock V8 springs back in.
That would be super cheap, and offer good street strip combo for the $$$.
My .02


That's a pretty good idea.
You can also try using lowering springs with the 70/30's, they aren't all that aggressive of shocks, you should be good.
And as i said earliet, supposidly the softest setting in the koni reds is 70/30, and that's what i've had mine set on forever.

You can always change the shocks easily, later.
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Postby Cobra88GT on Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:32 pm

cleanLX wrote:Keep the Lakewood 70/30 and throw some stock V8 springs back in.
That would be super cheap, and offer good street strip combo for the $$$.
My .02


I know one of the biggest issues are my 15" wheels and no front sway bar. Are the moroso trick springs really affecting it that much? Only reason why I don't want the stock springs is because it will put the vehicle back at a higher center of gravity. I like how low the front end sits right now. I want to lower the rear as well because. So maybe I should just get a set of lowering springs all the way around. How much should it be lowered? I wouldn't mind having my car as low as the black mustang that you find at the top of your monitor! That's good enough for me. My front end sits pretty much that low, but the rear end is much higher due to stock springs. What about the 50/50 shocks in the rear? Should I ditch those and get a set of adjustables?

Like I said, I want more stability on the highway. I know I shouldn't be saying this but, when I am driving 80+mph the car feels loose. Like one sudden movement to the right or left and I'm doing flips with it! Too much body roll, not enough stability.
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Postby 2000xp8 on Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:07 pm

Putting the sway bar back on would be a good start. And yes the trick springs will affect it that much. That's why i didn't use them and sold them to you, lol.

Eibach pro kit lowering springs will give you a solid 1.5 inches all the way around. About the height of my car, in my sig.

I'd put the sway bar back on, add the lowering springs, and see how you like it.
You may not have to put too much out on this project.
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Postby Cobra88GT on Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:23 pm

2000xp8 wrote:Putting the sway bar back on would be a good start. And yes the trick springs will affect it that much. That's why i didn't use them and sold them to you, lol.

Eibach pro kit lowering springs will give you a solid 1.5 inches all the way around. About the height of my car, in my sig.

I'd put the sway bar back on, add the lowering springs, and see how you like it.
You may not have to put too much out on this project.


Don't get me wrong. I like the springs I got from you. However, its time for a change. As far as the sway bar goes, I have to buy a new one. I took that one off almost 3 years ago. I don't have it anymore, not even the hardware/bushings. Should I keep the lakewood 50/50 shocks? I have a buddy that might be interested in the springs I got from you.

I looked on Summit because thats where I will probably buy the springs. They have 3 different models and they are all the same price. Which one's do I go with? Here is the link;
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch ... wordSearch
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Postby 2000xp8 on Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:33 pm

I don't know the difference in the 1 and 3 sets, but Definetely DO NOT get the sportlines.
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